I understand your point Brian, but IMO there are enough reasons not to delay this work. There are many use-cases/applications where there is a stable topology of RSU¹s and OBU¹s. The regulations around 5.9 Ghz (DSRC) band allows the channel use for non-priority/non-traffic safety related applications. For example, a vehicle in a gas station can receive a coupon from the 802.11-OCB radio (AP/RSU) in the gas station. There, its a stable topology that classic ND is designed for. In this operating mode, its perfectly reasonable to use classic ND and it works. The authors have shown enough lab data on the same. Ideally, I agree with you that it makes lot more sense to publish both the specs at the same time. But, for what ever reasons the WG went on this path. Authors have spent incredible amount of efforts in getting the draft this far and we cannot ignore that. You can see the efforts from the version number; when did we last see a draft version -037? We also need to distill the recent ND discussions and filter out the threads that are clearly motivated to insert a ND protocol that is designed for a totally different operating environment. An argument that a protocol designed for low-power environments is the solution for vehicular environments requires some serious vetting. Looking at the characteristics, always-sleeping, occasional internet connectivity, low-power, no memory, no processing power, no mobility ..etc, meeting vehicular requirements is some thing most people in the WG do not get it. Bottom line, IMO, we should move this forward and publish the document. All we need is a simple statement in the spec which puts some scope limits, w.r.t the missing ND pieces and issues. There are other proposals in the WG that will address the gaps and bring closure to the work. Sri On 4/12/19, 1:28 PM, "Brian E Carpenter" <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >On 13-Apr-19 02:59, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote: >>If you go back and check 2017 archives, I did raise many of these >>issues. But, we clearly decided to limit the scope excluding address >>configuration, DAD, ND aspect, link models. When there is such a scope >>statement, it should clearly move these comments to the draft that >>defines how ND works for 802.11-OCB links. > >This is of course possible. In general the IETF hasn't done that, but has >followed the lead set by RFC 2464 with the complete specification of >IPv6-over-foo in one document. > >However, I don't believe that publishing an RFC about the frame format >without *simultaneously* publishing an RFC about ND etc would be a good >idea. That would leave developers absolutely unable to write useful >code, and might easily lead to incompatible implementations. Since >we'd presumably like Fords to be able to communicate with Peugeots, >that seems like a bad idea. > >Regards > Brian
