On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:26 AM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > organization. Suppose someone (or several people) for whom I'm > > responsible are really good implementers. Suppose they come to me and > > say something that I hear as "we would like to go to IETF a day or two > > early, incur additional costs for hotels and the like that we expect > > you to pay for, and spend the time doing programming on their work > > rather than yours/ the company's". I wouldn't predict good results, at > > least unless I hear the request as including "if you don't let me do > > this, I'm likely to start looking for another job" and, of course, that > > might or might not work. > "Boss, J,K,Q and I will be working 30 hours overtime (each) that weekend getting > the interoperability bugs out of the code before we go to the IETF meeting > about the specification that determines what code we are supposed to write". > It actually won't get to "looking for another job", because the person likely > left when the IETF support went away. Yup, I see the hackathon as something which makes it easier, not harder to get support for. I see more of the "we would like to go to the hackathon to work with others on making sure our thingie works with their thingie. I'd like to stay a few days extra to attend the IETF as well" -- for some set of people, the chance for vendor G and vendor H to cooperate is more valuable than the (perceived) navel-gazing and comma fighting. W > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ > ] mcr@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ > -- > Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf
