On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 7:38 AM, Ted Lemon <mellon@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 20, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Richard Barnes <rlb@xxxxxx> wrote:On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@xxxxxxxx> wrote:First, if you look at historical demographics, over the past 12 IETFs,
we have 23% Asia, 26% Europe, and 42% NA). Put another way, the last
time we had > 1/3 Asian attendance was IETF 94 in Yokohama, and the
last time we had less than 1/3 NA attendance was IETF 79 in Beijing.
So, a policy that was designed to match per-continent attendance would
be more like 2-1-1-*..Correlation does not imply causation. We could as easily say that the reason Beijing had less than 1/3 NA attendance is that it was as difficult for a Norteamericano to get to as a North American destination is for someone from China.
Thanks for making this point. I totally agree that where we have the meetings influences participation.
This is why I explicitly mentioned Yokohama. Even when we meet in Asia (which is presumably the
most favorable environment for Asian participation) we still generally get below 1/3 Asian attendance,
and if we also meet other places, the overall numbers are going to be lower.
Anyway, what I'm pointing to is that relaxing the 1-1-1 policy isn't actually supported by the argument ekr made here. And if there's some idea that we should do another IETF in Honolulu because it's almost like doing one in Asia, please, no. Tourist destinations suck as IETF destinations. If you want a vacation in Hawaii, that's great, enjoy, but please do it on your own time and don't make me go there again. I would much rather fly an extra two hours to Narita and get to go someplace that isn't a tourist trap with all the PITA tourist-milking behavior and bad food that implies.
I don't think that's the argument I'm offering. I personally wasn't much of a fan of Hawaii either, for many of the reasons you offer (though I note that they don't seem to be in the selection document!). I'm just saying that "continent" isn't a very good proxy for travel cost.
-Ekr
