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On 2/15/2018 10:45 PM, Adam Roach
wrote:
Back in early 2016, the IESG began work on revising the Note Well
statement [1] to make it more readable and point more clearly at
the relevant IETF processes. This work fell between the cracks
after being kicked off, and we would now like to bring it to its
conclusion.
After substantial community conversation (including a thread in
July of 2016 [2]), discussion within the IESG, and consultation
with the ombudsteam and IETF's counsel, a final version of the new
Note Well that incorporates such input appears below. This revised
text will be available in PPT, PDF, and ODP formats from the
Working Group Chairs page [3] shortly.
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Reviewing the bidding, the last discussion on this was the beginning
of April, 2016. As near as I can tell, the final form of this was
the same as original IESG proposal excepting only the addition of
the harassment blurb in the body and some very minor tweaking. In
other words, some fairly useful comments were ignored.
For example - Dave Cridland's suggested wording for the last blurb
suggesting when to seek "advice":
The definitive policies are covered in the following documents which you
should read. If you are unsure, please contact a Working Group Chair or an
Area Director prior to participating.
Harald's comment on "not surprising people"
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/jhpcVpUuVKyOQ-MEXh6CmCrWems
So given the long delay between last commentary and IESG action,
and the lack of IESG response to comments made in 2016, I would
suggest that perhaps this is not quite baked and ready for adoption.
Mike
Note Well
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Definitive information is in the documents listed below and other IETF
BCPs. For advice, please talk to WG chairs or ADs:
BCP 9 (Internet Standards Process) BCP 25 (Working Group processes) BCP 25 (Anti-Harassment Procedures) BCP 54 (Code of Conduct) BCP 78 (Copyright) BCP 79 (Patents, Participation) https://www.ietf.org/privacy-policy/ (Privacy Policy)
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[1] http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/Gyc4REkPN-HHAZfCb-x4Ug4rpgk
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/RzTz4P0wjkm5EXYGYVhi5jbVsww
[3] https://www.ietf.org/chairs/
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