Re: Individual Draft Submissions.

[Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> Well draft-omar-ipv10-XX and draft-omar-ipmix-XX provide NOTHING THAT IS NEW. 
You don’t even summarise the existing technology accurately.  Traffic will 
switch over to IPv6.  All that is required is time.  Large amounts of traffic 
already goes from IPv6 hosts at one end to IPv4 hosts at the other end.  Some 
of that is initiated from IPv4, some from IPv6. Most equipment that you buy 
today is IPv6 capable. 

I do not understand what this means.

> As for draft-omar-krp-XX, it is completely unrealistic. I suggest that you
talk to network operators to understand why.

It requires good organizing to work perfectly.

Khaled

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Individual Draft Submissions.
From: Mark Andrews
To: Khaled Omar
CC: Brian E Carpenter ,Khaled Omar ,ietf

> On 8 Feb 2018, at 12:47 pm, Khaled Omar wrote:
>
> > Long answer: Almost every RFC starts as an individual draft. If the draft arouses
> interest, it may be discussed in a BOF or a WG. If it arouses a lot of interest,
> it may be formally adopted by a WG. If it progresses well, it may be agreed
> by the WG (following a WG Last Call). If OK with the Area Director, it may
> be sent for IETF Last Call. If it passes Last Call, it will be submitted
> to the IESG. If agreed by the IEAG, it will be sent to the RFC Editor for
> publication.
>
> Does this means that there is no interest from almost all of the IETF participants for all my drafts?

Well draft-omar-ipv10-XX and draft-omar-ipmix-XX provide NOTHING THAT IS NEW.
You don’t even summarise the existing technology accurately. Traffic will
switch over to IPv6. All that is required is time. Large amounts of traffic
already goes from IPv6 hosts at one end to IPv4 hosts at the other end. Some
of that is initiated from IPv4, some from IPv6. Most equipment that you buy
today is IPv6 capable.

As for draft-omar-krp-XX, it is completely unrealistic. I suggest that you
talk to network operators to understand why.

Mark

> K.O
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Individual Draft Submissions.
> From: Brian E Carpenter
> To: Khaled Omar ,ietf
> CC:
>
>
> On 08/02/2018 04:27, Khaled Omar wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have many questions that still without answers till now.
> >
> > Does the IETF allows individual draft submissions but in fact they do not belong to the IETF work?
>
> Short answer: Yes.
>
> Long answer: Almost every RFC starts as an individual draft. If the draft arouses
> interest, it may be discussed in a BOF or a WG. If it arouses a lot of interest,
> it may be formally adopted by a WG. If it progresses well, it may be agreed
> by the WG (following a WG Last Call). If OK with the Area Director, it may
> be sent for IETF Last Call. If it passes Last Call, it will be submitted
> to the IESG. If agreed by the IEAG, it will be sent to the RFC Editor for
> publication.
>
> This process can easily take two years. At every "if", the draft may fail.
> I don't know the statistics; probably they could be extracted from the data
> tracker, but my estimate is that at most 33% of individual drafts end up
> as RFCs.
>
> > Does it means it is something to let people play with regardless of the ideas it contains?
>
> Short answer: Yes.
>
> Long answer: Innovation comes from trial and error. We don't expect people
> to dump every idea they have into an I-D, but having ideas available in
> the I-D "sandbox" is one way that the IETF encourages innovation.
>
> > When an individual draft be considered on a specific WG?
>
> ** When a significant number of people think that the idea is useful enough
> to be worth considering. **
>
> I just had a quick look at my own history... I could give you a list of
> about 52 I-Ds that failed. It's normal.
>
> > I have 3 drafts and neither has been taken forward for 1-year.
>
> See ** above.
>
> > Even with having a co-author nothing have changed and I didn't get responses from the responsible AD or Chairs regarding each idea on every draft or even reserving a slot in the next IETF 101.
>
> See ** above.
>
> > I got many advices from different people but nothing in the core development of each idea.
>
> See ** above.
>
> > I don't want to keep working alone and making each draft takes the best shape and eventually they are not considered by the IETF and at the same time I do not want to bother people who think that this e-mail for forcing something to happen, no, it is just for understanding because when new ideas comes to the mind I feel they will face the same destiny as other ideas and the IETF will keep not caring.
>
> Keep trying, but not with ideas that have already failed. See ** above.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brian
>

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