Just out of curiosity about criteria, could the meetings committee or Secretariat identify the average and total number of distinct IETF participants resident in Bangkok or elsewhere in Thailand who have attended, e.g., the last five IETF meetings in person? By registering as remote attendees? How m8ch would those numbers change if Thailand and all adjacent countries were included? I should stress that I'm not objecting to the location; Bangkok is a great city, I've attended a number of successful meetings there, and, while previous experience predicts that someone will find something to be afraid of or outranged about, I certainly will not be one of them. However, given the Last Call on draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process and, that, while it says some things about convenience for active participants and "to have someone participate in the site visit who is familiar with both the locale and the IETF" (last bullet in Section 3.3 or -12), the longstanding requirement (or at least preference) for there to already be active IETF participants in near-proximity to the meeting venue is not obvious in the document (presumably because of an explicit decision to drop it or because "near proximity" has been interpreted so broadly in the past as to be meaningless). It would be good to understand, in quantitative and specific terms rather than generalizations, the relationship between this meeting site choice (and possible future ones like it) and the specifications of the document. best, john