In article <8302af6e-63a0-bade-d94e-accd5bd59ec1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> you write: >of being able to represent names and non-English text faithfully in >bits, only to have them be rendered unfaithfully by a great many >present-day applications. Can you give us some examples of these present-day applications that don't handle UTF-8? My experience is quite the opposite: anything written in the past decade handles UTF-8 just fine. It's not like I'm running cutting edge stuff, I look at RFCs using "more" in a shell window. R's, John