Re: Nomination reminder from the 2017-2018 NomCom

[Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@xxxxxxxxx>]

I agree with Mary on this.

It is better to be able to consider a late application of high quality  than being in position where process demands that a less capable person must be chosen. However this is something that the Nomcom can engineer if needed by formally re-opening nominations any time before they make their final decision.

- Stewart

On 26/09/2017 16:48, Mary B wrote:

I'm not necessarily suggesting that the deadline be extended.  But, rather allow an overlap between accepting nominations and asking for feedback to allow folks to decide before the deadline if they want to nominate someone else.  

That all said, there have been times when I wanted to nominate someone after the deadline and that wasn't accepted by the Nomcom.  Personally, I think that contradicts the spirit of our process.  As a past Nomcom chair, I realize that it makes things harder to get late nominations and it's entirely up to the Nomcom as to how they handle those.   But, IMHO, it's much worse for the Nomcom to not get enough nominations and then have to re-open nominations much later in the process which is what has happened several times in the past.  

Regards,

Mary.

 

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Eric Gray <eric.gray@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Mary,

 

                Would the tool not be affected by extending the deadline?  Closing the nominations is important if you want to avoid having to restart the decision making process every time a new candidate pops up.  But extending the deadline implies that there is some common impression that the pool of candidates isn’t big enough to start the decision making process.

 

                Surely you are not suggesting that tool itself should be able to determine that the pool of candidates is not big enough?

 

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Eric

 

From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mary B
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:27 AM
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <ietf@xxxxxxxx> <ietf@xxxxxxxx>; NomCom Chair 2017 <nomcom-chair-2017@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Nomination reminder from the 2017-2018 NomCom

 

I don't disagree, so that may be a tools change - i.e., the state doesn't go to collect feedback until the end of the nominations period. But, it shouldn't be that difficult.  One thing I'm recalling from  last year is that the tool would not allow you to submit a nomination after the deadline, which isn't ideal either IMHO, in particular in these cases with so few nominations.   While it's ideal for the nomcom to have their pool of nominees by a particular deadline, the process should allow late nominations. 

 

Regards,

Mary. 

 

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ah, yes, the f/b requests were started a lot earlier and that had the side-effect of showing the nomination list. However I think that was an important and beneficial side effect in encouraging the nomination, and maybe should become a full feature.

- Stewart

 

On 26/09/2017 14:49, Mary B wrote:

In the past, the way we made the list visible was when the period to request comments was opened - anyone that logged in could see who had been nominated.  We have never published directly on the mailing list.   That was a conscious decision when we switched to Open list in 2009.  If you recall previously, there was a blast of emails to various folks and that was the only way to see the list -  if you weren't asked to provide input via email, you never knew who had been nominated.  Maybe Peter can setup to do request for feedback earlier than anticipated?   

 

 

Regards,

Mary.

 

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 4:35 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@xxxxx> wrote:

Peter,

I strongly support Stewart's comment below, could we please make the list with candidates that have accepted available.

/Loa

On 2017-09-26 11:10, Stewart Bryant wrote:

Hi Peter

Unlike all the previous years (that I remember), in which we have had open lists, the nominees who have accepted have not been made public during the nomination period.

In my view, seeing the list build during the nomination period has, become an important part of deciding whether to put a name forward (including one own), and in particular in thinking hard about which names forward, or persuading a good candidate to accept nomination.

I really think that it would help you build a stronger candidate pool if you made the candidates names known.

- Stewart


On 25/09/2017 19:36, NomCom Chair 2017 wrote:

Nominations remain open for IESG, IAB, and IAOC positions through October 8.  While we have already received many nominations, there are a few positions for which nominations are thin.  We are looking for more nominees for these positions, although we of course welcome more nominees for all of the positions.

The positions for which we are particularly interested in receiving more nominations are:

     o  Internet AD (only one nominee here; come on, let's make this competitive!)
     o  Management AD (we have quite a few nominations for this area, but only one acceptance)
     o  Transport AD (only one nominee for this area)
     o  IAB member (there are 6 open slots and only slightly more than that number of nominees)
     o  IAOC member (no accepted nominations for this position yet)

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The original call for nominations:

The 2017-18 Nominating Committee (NomCom) is seeking nominations from now until October 8, 2017. The open positions being considered by this year's NomCom can be found at the end of this email and also on this year's NomCom website:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/

Nominations may be made by selecting the Nominate link at the top of the NomCom 2017 home page, or by visiting the following URL:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/nominate/

   {Note that nominations made using the web tool require an ietf.org
    datatracker account. You can create a datatracker ietf.org account
    if you don't have one already by visiting the following URL:
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/create/ }

If you are unable to use the web form, nominations may instead be made by email to nomcom-17 at ietf dot org. If using email, please include the word "Nominate" in the Subject and indicate in the email who is being nominated, their email address (to confirm acceptance of the nomination), and the position for which you are making the nomination.
If you are nominating someone other than yourself, please tell us if we may tell the nominee that you were the one who made the nomination.
If you wish to nominate someone via email for more than one position, please use separate emails to do so.

Self-nomination is welcome!

Willing nominees will be asked to fill out a questionnaire specific to the position for which they are nominated.  The questionnaires will be available on September 5, 2017 and have a submission deadline of October 13, 2017.

NomCom 2017-18 will follow the policy for "Open Disclosure of Willing Nominees" described in BCP 10/RFC 7437.  As stated in RFC 7437: "The list of nominees willing to be considered for positions under review in the current NomCom cycle is not confidential". Willing nominees for each position will be listed in a publicly accessible way, e.g., anyone with a datatracker account may access the lists.  Additionally, the nomination form asks if we may share your own name with the nominee. In all other ways, the confidentiality requirements of BCP 10 remain in effect.  All feedback and all NomCom deliberations will remain confidential and will not be disclosed.

There is a field on the form you can mark in order to allow the NomCom to tell the nominee that you were the one who made the nomination. This defaults to “no” - so if you don't mark the field we won’t tell.

In order to ensure time to collect sufficient community feedback about each of the willing nominees, nominations must be received by the NomCom on or before October 8, 2017.

Please submit your nominations as early as possible for the sake of your nominees. Note that nominations should not wait for management permission, as it is easier to decline the nomination than put one in late.

The NomCom appoints individuals to fill the open slots on the IAOC, the IAB, and the IESG. The list of people and posts whose terms end with the March 2018 IETF meeting, and thus the positions for which this NomCom is responsible, follows:

IAOC

Leslie Daigle*

IAB

* Ted Hardie
* Joe Hildebrand*
* Lee Howard*
* Erik Nordmark
* Martin Thomson
* Brian Trammell

IESG

* Adam Roach (ART)
* Alia Atlas (RTG)*
* Benoit Claise (OPS)*
* Suresh Krishnan (INT)
* Mirja Kühlewind (TSV)
* Alexey Melnikov (ART)
* Kathleen Moriarty (SEC)


*- have indicated that they do not intend to accept a renomination. This information is always up to date on https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/

Please be resourceful in identifying possible candidates for these positions, as developing our talent is a very crucial requirement for the IETF, and also, please consider accepting a nomination.  You'll find extensive information about specific positions, developed by the IAB, IESG, and IAOC, under individual tabs at:

   https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2017/requirements/

In addition to nominations, the NomCom seeks community input on the positions themselves.  We need and welcome the community's views and input on the jobs within each organization. If you have ideas on the positions' responsibilities (more, less, different), please let us know.

Please send suggestions and feedback about this to nomcom-17 at ietf dot org.

Thank you for your help in identifying qualified nominees!

Peter Yee
NomCom Chair 2017-18
nomcom-chair-2017 at ietf dot org
peter at akayla dot com

 

 

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