FWIW, +1
Suggestion: If the IESG is convinced that we need a page at
www.ietf.org that is designed for prettiness and attraction for
newcomers and those who are just browsing, would it be possible
to have an easily-remembered URL (and link from that home page
for those who forget) that essentially reflects the information
in the current sidebar plus maybe the "news" and "next meeting"
and "related web pages" panels, with zero images and no
animation or automation? For those of us who use IETF web
pages only to get work done, attractiveness is often measured in
ease of navigation and minimizing the number of clicks needed to
reach something, goals that may be incompatible with "pretty",
"clever", or "attractive to those who are just browsing".
john
--On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:25 +1200 Brian E Carpenter
<brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 19/07/2017 09:41, Eric C Rosen wrote:
>> On 7/15/2017 5:21 AM, Russ Housley wrote:
>>> the general organization and the look-and-feel of the
>>> website has been implemented based on the initial research
>>> and input received to date.
>>
>> I've been waiting to hear somone say "I love the new web
>> page. It makes it much easier to quickly find the
>> information I need".
>>
>> I'm still waiting.
>>
>> What I'm actually hearing is "The new web page makes it more
>> difficult to find the information I need. I can't tell
>> where the information is hidden, and I'm always scrolling
>> through screens and screens of content-free graphics to find
>> it. And then it takes longer to access it".
>>
>> But there's a good response to this: "The new web page isn't
>> supposed to make it easier to find the information you need,
>> use the datatracker for that. The new web page is supposed
>> to look pretty to folks who don't actually use it regularly."
>>
>> Of course, this is almost always what happens when a useful
>> web page is redesigned so as to be more modern.
>
> True. It happened once before, less badly, when the original
> home page (approximately https://www.ietf.org/content.html)
> was replaced by the current one, which I don't find useful. If
> https://beta.ietf.org/links/ can't be made to fit in a single
> screen, I'll be making my own private equivalent of
> https://www.ietf.org/content.html anyway. We shouldn't be
> afraid of having our web site look geeky.
>
> Alternatively, it would be fine if the sidebar on the tracker
> included everything currently covered by the sidebar on
> www.ietf.org.
>
>> Now if we could just replace all our RFCs with youtube videos
>> ...
>
> Why, when everything worth saying can be said in a tweet?
>
> Brian
>
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