On 12/07/2017 12:34, Randy Bush wrote: > the noc sees a quite large number of associations to the unencrypted > ietf-legacy ssid as opposed to say the encrypted ietf ssid > > some of us are wondering if those using ietf-legacy > > o do not realize it is completely unencrypted over the air, or > > o don't care as their threat model sees runnin' nekkid over the air as > not a significant additional weakness, or If you don't feel that way, there are millions of networks you can never use, including most hotels, cafes etc. > o believe that they are using sufficient encryption at higher layers > to meet their needs, or If you believe that, you're probably wrong ;-) > o other 1) For whatever reason my Android 4.3 phone has always seemed allergic to the ietf network (although after much torture, it agreed to connect to eduroam). So it only knows about ietf-legacy and ietf-hotel. 2) On my laptop things are better, but I do have ietf-legacy lower in the list as a fallback. > these days, some meetings do not provide unencrypted wifi at all and > seem not to get complaints. maybe their attendees are just geekier > and/or more security conscious. ...or they just don't care as long as it works. There's a lot of that about. Jordi is correct about the ordering of SSIDs in the list kept by the o/s. If you don't manually push ietf-legacy down the list, it may well be picked automatically. Brian