while i enjoy berating vendors for bugs and poor feature sets as much as the next person, well maybe more, it's a target rich environment. if we could come to agreement on what the right thing is, what we actually want here, we could at least beat them on the right vector. but as i said at the beginning, i am not even sure dns classes are the answer. this is exacerbated by the draft in question trying to shoot down the users' needs without even exploring them. and that is still my main issue. we're shooting down solutions when we have not yet defined the problem. 30c in praha today randy