--On Friday, May 26, 2017 17:31 -0400 Alia Atlas <akatlas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Yoav, > > As indicated in Suresh's email, the existing on-site FCFS room > that holds around 16 people will continue to be > available. There will also be a room that holds about 30 > people, in a U-shape, that will be available for sign-ups > a couple weeks before IETF (when the IETF agenda comes out). > > Does that help clarify? It does, but let me note three things for whatever they might be worth: (1) <rant> Suresh's description of these informal meetings match reasonably closely something we did in the distant past. It was calls a "BOF". Over the years, that concept of a BOF as a relatively informal session for discussion of new ideas and other things that were not ready for WG charters, morphed into very formal arrangements requiring formal proposals more than six weeks in advance of IETF meetings and approval by the IESG and advice from the IAB. People dealt with that problem with formally organized Bar BOFs, a combination that would have been considered an oxymoron when BOFs were more informal gatherings, which led to requests for meeting rooms for side meetings and now sign-up arrangements for those meeting rooms.</rant> (2) I believe there was at least one "informal side meeting" in Chicago that wanted video remote participation arrangements, so let me ask the question in advance: will this room be set up for Meetecho and, if not, why not? Is it time for the IESG to rethink how we do this and why we seem to need to move in directions of more and more Procedures, rather than just walking across (or down) slippery slopes? (3) For those who are concerned about where we meet and what the constraints are on locations, it may be worth noting that, for at least some facilities, the number of small to medium-sized meeting rooms we now require for one or two official side-meeting spaces, plus rooms for IESG, IAB, Nomcom, IAD, IOAC, ISOC, Secretariat work space, etc., may be as much of a constraint as spaces for parallel WG sessions. Grumpily, john