>> in what legal juristiction is the ietf? in what juristiction is the >> subpoena served? how does an american (for example) gag order apply to >> a nebulous entity such as the ietf? > > all good questions - any suggested answers? IANAL, IANAL, IANAL, IANAL, IANAL, IANAL, IANAL, IANAL, IANAL, IANAL the ietf does not exist, but has a service address in the states. the latter could easily be changed, e.g. to genevé. "is an organized activity of" seems vague and could be interpreted as the ietf is, for legal purposes, subsumed by isoc. this was likely not an accident. i assume the subpoena with the gag order was in the states, and the server wore a brown shirt. it would be cost effective not to have to get a us court decision whether or not the subpoena/gag applied to the ietf. >> can we move to iceland? it is not an accident that cryptech's servers are in iceland and admin in københavn. i would be asking george if he minded if the eff was consulted; though they are likely already a bit overwhelmed with brown shirts. randy