--On Friday, January 13, 2017 14:21 +0000 Adrian Farrel <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I hate to be a killjoy, but... > > Once upon a time the IESG used to supply a little text to > include in this sort of announcement under the "Purpose" > heading to allow us to work out whether we wanted to subscribe > to the list. Since network slicing seems to be something that > is done in a number of ways already, it would be nice to get a > handle on what the purpose of this discussion forum is. +1 To say this a little more strongly, not only have we had examples of abuses involving IETF-hosted lists but the IESG has some responsibility to consider the time of the community a valuable resource and to be as protective of it when creating these lists as when proposing a WG. There are lots of other places where lists can be created for discussions that interest the proposer; IETF non-WG lists should be created and announced only if they add value to the IETF community or (probably "and") the work of the IETF. IMO, the IESG and individual ADs need to consider themselves accountable for the creating of non-WG lists and provide clear explanations of why the lists are being created and what they are about. I hope it doesn't take appeals of list announcements to re-establish that principle. john