Re: Predictable Internet Time

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Yes, the system should use a leap-second-free constant-duration-seconds time for everything. It is only humans that need the variable jumpy version of time presented to them, and that is a UI issue.

- Stewart


On 03/01/2017 18:25, Joe Touch wrote:
We really need to separate the frames of reference of time - there's no
need for smear for internal "seconds since epoch" time. Smear only
renders UTC values incorrect,, which is an invitation to have financial
and legal transactions fail and report local events (e.g., rates, etc.)
incorrectly.

We shouldn't propagate an incorrect solution.

Joe


On 1/3/2017 6:08 AM, Tony Finch wrote:
Joe Touch <touch@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Smearing leads to differing interpretations of elapsed time for two reasons:

1) smearing isn't unambiguously specified
2) smearing doesn't match the clock standards set by the ITU (who
defines UTC)
Since leap smear is becoming more popular, it would be sensible to try to
get a consensus on the best way to do it if you do it. Clearly
organizations that do leap smear think (2) leap seconds are too much
trouble so it's better to diverge from official time in a controlled
manner.

To clear up (1) there are a few technical choices on which people seem to
be working towards some kind of agreement...

* If you centre the smear period over the leap second, your maximum error
   from UTC is 0.5s, which seems to be preferable to starting or ending the
   smear period on the leap second

* Linear smear works better than sigmoid smear, since it minimizes the
   rate divergence for a given smear period, and NTP's algorithms react
   better

* Longer smear periods are better, because they give NTP more time to
   react to the rate change, and they minimize the rate difference

It looks to me like a 24h leap smear from 12:00 UTC before the leap to
12:00 UTC after the leap has a good chance of becoming more popular than
other leap smear models.

Tony.




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