--On Thursday, December 29, 2016 16:27 +0000 John Levine <johnl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> ... However, my impression is that we >> are seeing increasing ISP concentration (except, maybe, close >> to the edges of the network, where it makes little >> difference) and less of that traditional type of multihoming. > > There's tons of multihoming. Every medium sized or larger > business wants multiple upstreams for reliability. They > typically get a chunk of PA IPv4 addresses from each upstream. John, See Brian's comments and some others for responses to what I think was intended to be your main point. However, I picked my words carefully. I said and meant "traditional type of multihoming" and, more important in the previous sentence, "many hosts and sites that are multihomed in the traditional sense of advertising one set of endpoint addresses to the network and letting the routing system sort things out". That is, very specifically, one address per host, advertised to multiple ISPs/ networks/ paths and not "a chunk of PA IPv4 addresses from each upstream". You are talking about a different --architecturally different-- approach, one that either requires endpoint hosts to manage different addresses and the routing options associated with each or that requires NAT arrangements that map one-many or many-many rather than many-one or one-one. I'm not going to argue that one approach is better or worse than the other. In particular, unless one is large enough enterprise to arrange for PI space and for multiple providers to route it, the traditional multihoming architecture is effectively dead. But that is another change in the architecture of the network as it actually functions that we are, to at least some extent, pretending is not happening. best, john