>Maybe the IETF should document this expected behavior as part of the mailing >list submission process. "If you want to participate in the IETF, your mail >provider should allow you to receive messages from the IETF." As I keep asking, how much blood are we willing to lose to cut off our noses to spite our faces? Pretty much all of the largest mail providers in the world check DMARC on inbound mail. Gmail is somewhat more flexible than others but even they reject or junk a lot of it. R's, John