yoav, > Itʼs hard to move the pain in a predictable way. If I send you an > email message and itʼs not delivered or gets mangled or goes in your > spam folder, who feels the pain? That depends on which of us needs the > email more. my mail fu is not deep. but seems to me that we're talking about mailing lists here, not tina telling me where to pick up ?1k. so move the pain to the users at yahoo (they're getting used to high levels of pain) and let them move off yahoo or not play. randy