> If that _is_ the question, I observe that the IAB can't answer the > question. which is why i did not send email to the iab; i just wanted fair queue management. _as a community_, we need to discuss what the goal(s) of the network are. i am learning from the feedback; thanks all. a few points which have not been mentioned o there is a significant number of attendees who do not have much configuration control over their laptop. o there is a singificant number of attendees who need vpn access to get work done. o there are attendees with strange and old operating systems. some of these folk wander to the help desk and the noc. and a personal bias. in the ops part of my $dayjob (which is minimal; i am supposed to do research), we try to provide what the customer wants, not tell them to do things they do not want to do. ykmd. randy