Dear IETF, Since the EPPEXT Working Group has been concluded and evolved into regext, I'm reaching out to the bigger group about a document that somehow is stuck. The keyrelay specification describes how one can change the DNS operator of a domain while keeping the DNSSEC chain of trust intact. Obviously this beats the current "not-the-best" practise of going insecure, transferring and then securing the domain again. Background info on secure domain transfers: http://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/blog/2013/09/how-to-securely-transfer-a-dnssec-signed-domain-between-dns-operators-sidns-epp-keyrelay/ https://www.sidnlabs.nl/downloads/wp_2013_EPP-keyrelay_v1.en.pdf Draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay can't progress due to a DISCUSS from Stephen Farrell. Farrel raised because the IPR situation is not succinctly clear: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-eppext-keyrelay/ballot/ >From the IPR details here listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2393/ I quote: """Licensing Declaration to be Provided Later (implies a willingness to commit to the provisions of a), b), or c) above to all implementers; otherwise, the next option 'Unwilling to Commit to the Provisions of a), b), or c) Above'. - must be selected)""" The IPR statement was submitted on July 21, 2014. I am not sure what the capitalisation of the words "Provided Later" signifies - but surely the purpose of this process is not to stall and leave a document in limbo forever. I appreciate that IPR related work can take time, but this long? A convenient counter is provided here: https://rikribbers.nl/keyrelay/ I've asked the keyrelay authors what attempts have been undertaken to resolve the situation, and according to them attempts to communicate with the (presumably a legal department) contact persons listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2393/ have gone unanswered, and the IETF participant whose belief triggered the disclosure has not been able to progress the issue either. A promise such as "soon" is appreciated, but not sufficient: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/regext/SbwMA57ebzMjKwaphz6AZzliMM0 For those that wonder what the impact of stonewalling this document is: the SIDN (the .nl registry) has put their current deployment on hold. The SIDN had implemented keyrelay in their Shared Registry System to verify if a domain transfer can be done while keeping the DNSSEC chain of trust intact. However registrars are waiting for keyrelay to be published as a real standard, in absence of that: secure->insecure->transfer->secure. Should you wonder why the Dutch are growing impatient... The Dutch registry is globally a leader in terms of DNSSEC deployment. With over 2.5 million DNSSEC secured domain registrations, the ability to securely transfer is critical! There are ~ 22,000 .nl-domainname transfers per month. Adoption of secure transfers should have been in place before DNSSEC validating resolvers became the norm. Aside from the 'keyrelay'-specific concerns I described above, I worry that IPR disclosures can be used as an obstructionist attack vector to indefinitely stall a document's publication. File a patent, file a disclosure, never provide licensing information! That doesn't seem right. Kind regards, Job