On 10/12/2016 08:51 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > Right now we seem to have more industry IoT interest groups than ever. > But what we don't seem to have is a group whose brand is going to mean > 'it will work, it is secure and there are no hidden vendor lockins'. Arguably, (with Apple being the primary example and Chromebook backing it up), one can only make it work, and be secure, in the presence of EXPLICIT vendor lockin. And then only when said vendor doesn't get lazy and take shortcuts. In the implementation-of-standards world, MUST is optional, SHOULD is ignored, and MAY is merely permissive of promiscuity. Compliance needs sharp teeth, and the IETF doesn't even have rubber dentures. -- Dean