On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 08:02:32AM -0400, Ted Lemon wrote: > There are certain senders from whom all the IETF mail I get is marked by > gmail as spam and winds up in the spam folder, because they are using > dmarc. This hasn't gotten more urgent. It was urgent when it started. > The complaint is that nothing has changed since then. This is a classic > case of "best is the enemy of good enough." The real problem is that in the absence of standardization, when the folks who implemented DMARC went ahead without doing something that didn't break all use cases, there's no consensus on what is the "good enough" solution. Everyone can say that it's someone else's problem to fix. Some folks could say that you should just change mail provideres, even though that would impose lots of pain on you. Others could say that the mailing list admins should change their mailing lists, even though that would impose pain on people's procmail setups. Others could say it was the fault of companies like Yahoo and Paypal who didn't use different mail addresses for their official mail versus mail from their employees who need to participate in various standards and open source efforts, and so it should be Yahoo and Paypal's problem to change, even though they would have to deal with the pain. And worse, it's not obvious that anyone has the moral high ground when they demand that someone else shoulder the burden and the pain of the change. ARC is supposed to be the magic bullet that will fix all of this, but this assumes someone is going to create ARC implementations for all of the common mailing list server implementations, and it's not obvious that this is going to be happening, either. Given that, it's not all that surprising that there hasn't been much in the way of movement, since yes, people are feeling pain with the status quo. But it's a lot easier to blame the people who made the change which broke things..... - Ted