> One apect of the problem is the typical enthusiasm curve. ASCII art: omg, brian using ascii art. end of net predicted. news at eleven :) a fellow operator reading this list sent email this morning saying i suspect that if you want to do ietf full-time - you're probably part of the problem. < gross over-generalisation > i suspect that one reason we are so enamoured of open source is it is running code. implementation is where the rubber meets the road. i-ds are where the rubber meets the sky. success is when there is both i-d and implementation. good i-ds are when implementors are authors. randy