Donald Eastlake wrote: [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Martin Rex <mrex@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > Andrew G. Malis wrote: > >> IMHO (but then I?m not a lawyer, and esp. a German lawyer with regards to > >> this meeting), > > > > Obviously not. > > > >> hotel function rooms are public places, > > > > Nope, hotel rooms are *no* public places. > > Not hotel rooms but hallways and foyers are usually considered public > in the USA notwithstanding that the hotel exercises some control over > them. If some member of the public could usually just walk in without > violating any laws or posted rules, its public. In Germany, the entire inside of the hotel is not considered public, independent of whether it is technically "publicly accessible". What you might be thinking of is something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama but personality rights are a _different_ beast. > > The IETF should do what is necessary to so that photography and video > recording and audio recording is allowed in face-to-face meetings, if > it takes having everyone sign something when they get their badge or > whatever. If there is some country where this cannot be done, then the > IETF should not meet there. The issue isn't about recording, but about publication. And you really need _consent_, any rip-off/coercion in the US contractual style (package deal) will not work here, because such contract clauses will be legally void in Germany, similar to most of the contents of click-through-licenses in software. The issue is much less about folks on stage, but folks in the room -- an that is what the original question was about. -Martin