On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Ross Finlayson <finlayson@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> That's because email is STILL the very best collaboration tool available: >> nothing else even comes close. >> >> 1. It's low-bandwidth. >> 2. It can be utilized offline. >> 3. It's asynchronous. >> 4. It can be used with the UI (mail client) of the participant's choice, >> as long as that mail client is reasonably well-behaved. >> 5. It automatically builds an archive. >> 6. Individual participants can build their own archives. >> 7. Which means that they can also search those archives with the >> mechanism of THEIR choice rather than one forced on them. >> 8. Which means that (taken as an aggregate) there are numerous ways >> to ensure the completeness and integrity of the archives. >> 9. It scales magnificently. >> 10. Privacy/security issues are minimized. >> 11. Attacks/abuse/etc. against it are well-understood and easy to handle. >> 12. It's extremely fault- and delay-tolerant. >> 13. It's push, not pull. >> 14. It's highly portable, e.g., list-rehosting and list software upgrading >> or changing are all relatively painless processes. >> 15. There are some very good choices for well-supported, mature, >> stable, open-source software to manage it. >> 16. (more which I'll omit for now) >> >> Moving to web-based collaboration would be a massive downgrade: it's >> a truly horrible idea. > > Absolutely. There’s no way in hell that I’m going to move from email to an ‘improved' system that would require me to have a web browser window open (or, more accurately, multiple web browser windows open - one for each ‘forum’ that I’m at least vaguely interested in), and hope that these windows update properly (without sending my browser’s CPU usage into the stratosphere) so that I don’t miss any notifications. https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/vector.html has a relevant blurb. the matrix ecosystem happens to be partially built around the webrtc standards, be encrypted, and well distributed. > > Although many ‘hipsters’ these days might not like email, an email address seems like a very low bar to require for participation in the IETF. I'm not even sure a pulse should be required at this point, given the rise of AI. > Ross. > -- Dave Täht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org