+1 (including the hat) Issues beyond those critical for getting work done SHOULD be used to select between otherwise equal venues in a region, but MUST NOT be used as the primary discriminators. Tony > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dean Willis > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:40 PM > To: Jari Arkko > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx Discussion > Subject: Re: my summary of discussion regarding IETF #100 > > > > On May 28, 2016, at 12:49, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > Several people have pointed out that it is very important that the IETF > treats everyone's issues the same. I'd point out though that not everyone > reacts in the same fashion, e.g., we need to be aware of people who are or > have been silent about their issues, attempt to identify such issues, and > consider those as well, fairly, *while* still needing to find a reasonable set > of real-world venues. > > > > <cowboy hat on> > > No, we don't. If they aren't the sort of issues that prevent real work from > getting done in the IETF, we do NOT need to be identifying or considering > them. > > This is not a social club. It is not a debating forum. It is not a junket-factory > for family-friendly excursions. It is work, and work is hard and requires > sacrifice. > > I understand that it is trendy for everyone to need safe-spaces, group hugs, > and lemon-scented-napkins before takeoff these days, but this is getting > ridiculous. > > Being able to get through customs at a destination, being able to afford that > destination, and being safe once one gets there are critical issues. Adequate > meeting, hospitality, and bandwidth accommodations are critical issues. > > Most of the rest of this debate needs to be taken somewhere else. Sure, we > can each have personal concerns about how to get more of our clique-du- > jour into the process, but that, in general, is something the IETF as a whole > needs to avoid wasting time on. > > So stop being a silly wanker, kick some ass, and call an end to playtime. > Everybody back to work! > > <cowboy hat off> > > - > Dean