Re: [Idr] Last Call: <draft-ietf-idr-ix-bgp-route-server-10.txt> (Internet Exchange BGP Route Server) to Proposed Standard

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Hi Marco,

Let's also observe that route server we are defining here which effectively "reflects" between EBGP sessions has much more wider use then Internet Exchange points. 

There is more architectures which use EBGP and for scale full meshing them is a headache (at least till we progress the auto discovery proposal further). And some of those ASes may be private hence inserting your AS during private removal is rather a must. 

I would recommend that we focus on the recommendation how to build IX in the companion draft in GROW. Here in IDR we should rather accommodate all use cases.

Many thx,
Robert


On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Marco Marzetti <marco@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 2016-06-01 13:17, Nick Hilliard wrote:
Marco Marzetti wrote:
I agree with you that you can run a route server and insert your ASn in
the path, but i think that is a lack of common sense which brings only
contraries and no benefits.

About RFC2119: It says that "SHOULD NOT" implies a valid reason to
accept a behavior, but i can't find any.

I agree that it is not a clever thing to do. The valid reason to accept
the behaviour is that it works in practice: some IXPs have done this in
production, in many cases for years.

There is a secondary reason: some rs client bgp stacks don't support the
option to accept an AS path from the RS where the leftmost entry on the
AS path != peeras.

These are not "good" reasons in the sense that they mandate behaviour
which is suboptimal, but they are valid reasons.

Nick

Nick,

I think that we should define a standard that addresses and corrects those non-clever behaviors rather than embrace them.

My point is: even if they work in the real world, they do because of the workarounds that other people put in place and they bring no benefits.

Regards

--
Marco



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