I find it necessary to note that, as always, our diversity discussion is being diverted to talk about geography. This happens when we talk about gender issues and it's now happening when we're talking about sexual orientation. I understand it's easier, and that everybody gets to feel valorous by taking a stand in favor of having people of all nations participate, but it does tend to interfere with making progress on the somewhat more difficult issues of how to make sure that the IETF is an inclusive organization on all axes. Unfortunately, this pretty much guarantees that the IETF will continue to lag other technical communities on diversity and inclusion. It appears to be the case that we are fully committed to having people rise and fall on their technical merits, and that participation is open to everybody who can meet some basic connectivity requirements, but that commitment seems to disintegrate every time we run into a situation that's less clear-cut than national participation, or that requires work/concessions/whatever. This strikes me as an institutional problem and not one that's very likely to be solved by bottom-up discussion (insert canonical reference to three wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner). Melinda