On Monday, May 23, 2016 9:23 AM, Paul Wouters wrote: > ... > According to https://www.ietf.org/blog/2016/04/ietf-95-summary/ we had > 14% participation from the region at IETF-96. Those are people that were new > or possibly rarely attend. I can tell you that I would have never become an > active participant in IETF if during my first meeting I hadn't had so many great > face to face talks with people who took the time to help me with my ideas and > my (lack of) knowledge and procedures. That is quite unlike the mailing lists, > where things tend to get heated, buried and somewhat unpleasant. Paul is onto something there. Most of the time, when I read messages on an IETF mailing list, I can picture in my head the face of the writers and even imagine the sense of their voice. I can often remember their priorities, their personal point of view, and maybe discount some oratory effects. (Not always, man is fallible :-). This helps a lot with assessing trust, getting the subtext in the messages, etc. But I cannot do that with messages from most newcomers, and the newcomers probably cannot do that with most participants. Our "remote meeting" efforts address the participation in discussions, but they are still a bit dry. We do have mentoring efforts, but they seem to only happen during meetings. If we do believe that personal communications are important, maybe we should take that as an explicit target. Maybe some form of electronic mentoring. Maybe some simple steps like making the pictures of participants available somewhere. Maybe have people record video greeting messages. Yes, you get some of the effect in meetings. But technology has progressed somewhat since the 80's, and we ought to be able to build personal contacts outside of meetings as well. -- Christian Huitema