Jordi, I am almost completely in agreement with Ted's comment and summary which are, I think, exceptionally reasonable and well-balanced. I want to address one issue... --On Saturday, May 21, 2016 21:12 +0200 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >... > I will agree that if being married with a same sex person > don't allow you to go into a specific country, then the > country should be banned, but if is a matter of traveling or > not with that family, then we shouldn't take that into > consideration for cancelling that venue, because you have the > choice to not travel with the family. Let me turn that around, in part because you included "people who want to bring their families" on your list of priorities. >From my perspective, it is important to consider, not only "fully respecting" individual situations, but to set the priorities in meeting site selection carefully, make sure those priorities have community consent (rather than being decided on privately by the IAD, IAOC, or Meetings Committee), and then follow them and their implications. In particular, "nice place to bring family or companion(s)" is either a selection criterion or it isn't. I'm not talking about where it is in the list of priorities and tradeoffs; I'm talking about whether or not it is on the list. If it is on the list, then I think there is an absolute responsibility on the Meetings Committee and IAOC to select only those locations where everyone in the community who is inclined to bring non-participants along can do so. No one gets to say (I don't think you have, but a few others have come close) "It is ok if your particular family doesn't feel comfortable coming because our main priority is getting work done". Either "nice for companions" is a criterion or it isn't and, if it is, then it needs to apply to _all_ plausible companions. As to Singapore, if the conclusion is that we should hold IETF 100 there (or that we can't plausibly extricate ourselves), I'm strongly drawn to the suggestion I think I heard Ted make at the plenary, that, out of respect for his situation and that of others, _no one_ should bring a family or other companions to Singapore. Not only is that a way to show support, but the economic impact, even if not huge, is one of the few ways that an unambiguous "you need to reconsider the acceptability of your laws if you want to continue to be an international go-to site" message can be sent even if the meeting is not cancelled. In particular, I believe that the community should send a strong message to members of the IAOC, IESG, IAB, Meetings Committee, Nomcom, and ISOC and Secretariat staffs that they are not allowed to bring _their_ families or companions to a meeting in Singapore. In addition to the sign of respect, that seems to me one way to create some institutional memory on this subject -- it should not have been treated as a new issue when Singapore was being selected, but "we" seem to forget these things until there are loud complaints, apologize and try to make adjustments, and then forget them again. best, john Disclaimer: I realized in checking Nomcom eligibility requirements that I haven't been f2f to any of the last five IETF meetings. More important to this particular issue, the people I might be inclined to bring along discovered that the schedule and pace I keep up during IETF makes me no fun to be around at all, so the closest they get anymore involves showing up after the meeting ends or leaving before it starts (and we haven't done that in years). So I am not significantly affected personally by any of this, but that does not prevent me from feeling quite strongly that the IETF needs to have its criteria straight and to evaluate sites against those criteria in ways that are equally fair to all participants. We need to do that not only as a matter of equity and respect because doing otherwise does affect the quality and credibility of our work.