>Now, I have no doubt that I'm missing some sooper seecret sauce, have bad >google-fu, should not be using a Mac because reasons, or whatever. But that's >beside the point. As abjectly incompetent as I undoubtedly am with jabber, I >doubt very very much that I rise to the level of incompetence of the average >user setting up IM for the first time. There certainly are a lot of IM clients, with a lot of them not working very well. I gave up on Adium, and now use Jitsi on my Mac which has been quite reliable for what I do, including IETF group chats. My XMPP name is my Gmail address. R's, John