On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Time Warner Cable <Lee@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 4/14/16, 8:59 AM, "ietf on behalf of Phillip Hallam-Baker" <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx on behalf of phill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>All this networking gear is presented to me as black boxes over which >>I have absolutely no control (which is fine-ish) and no visibility. > > What visibility do you want? Error messages on the printer's console? > Syslog messages? > SNMP traps? Oh, apparently not, since "SNMP isn't available most ordinary people." What I would like is something like a WiFi certification scheme that means 'there is a collection of technology here that is sufficient and complete'. Right now I would have to pay a ridiculous amount of money to get SNMP support because it is positioned as a differentiator between SOHO and 'enterprise' class devices. Getting the feedback necessary to make it work should not be an 'enterprise' feature. >>What should have happened many moons ago was that DHCP should have >>become a bidirectional protocol or a bootstrap to a bidirectional >>protocol. So when a printer joins the network, it authenticates and >>tells the network what it is. And this is all defined in one set of >>specifications from one organization, none of which assumes that >>security is an 'advanced', 'optional' or 'enterprise' feature. > > See Homenet. That seems to be premised on the assumption that the home network will be a simplified version of today's enterprise network rather than having far more moving parts.