--On Saturday, March 26, 2016 08:40 +1300 Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > It's clear that any design team *output* is a contribution. > But if a group of friends have a chat over lunch, not as a > design team mandated by WG chairs, and one of them mentions a > silly idea that is rejected in favour of a good idea that the > group later proposes to the WG, is that silly idea a > contribution? I don't think so. +1. But what makes that output a Contribution is its injection into the IETF process as an I-D, a WG discussion, a comment at a plenary microphone, or mention on an IETF-related mailing list. All of those are clearly Contributions even under 3979 and its predecessors. > All the same, I think the phrase "IETF-sanctioned" is > redundant. A citation of RFC 2418 would be in order, perhaps. Remember that we have a significant number of documents, standards-track and otherwise, that do not come out of WGs and that we have traditionally wanted to be covered by IPR disclosure rules. 2418, AFAICT, is only about WGs. john