> The home network architecture that makes sense to me is that my house > as one or two dedicated device hubs that are always on and connected > and every device I buy connects to them. Or a hub of my choice that I > choose and can change at any time I like. > > What I have today is eight devices in my house that are each connected > to a different service in the cloud that is proprietary and I have no > control over. The gadgets I have bought at no little cost only work at > the whim of the providers. i tried and failed to communicate this in the pre-paris iot security workshop. this is related to the model that you do not actual own that light bulb, car, whatever, you license use of it. > If you RSVP, I can let the AD know what numbers to expect and that > will determine if we meet in an actual bar or get a room. get a room randy