--On Thursday, 04 February, 2016 02:40 +0000 Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-dane@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >... > I am quite comfortable at this time with a requirement of > better than SSLv3 for SMTP on the public Internet. Unless there is a fallback to clear text, I am not. If we were to succeed in creating a situation in which the only email that could be sent or received on the public Internet was encrypted in transit (and, by the way, encrypted or otherwise very well protected and secured on relays and in mail stores), I think it is only a matter of time before some government resorts to the time-honored approach of making the use of crypto illegal and specifying harsh punishments for its use. The effect of such a decision would be to cause whole countries to vanish from the connected email network environment. I think that would be undesirable in general and inappropriate for IETF materials and discussions. For that and other reasons, I think there is a balance to be struck between being open and transparent and trying to insist on high levels of privacy for things that are really need very little privacy protection (or that are fully public in other ways, e.g., by appearing in generally-accessible archives). YMMD. john