Hi, I chose to respond to Eliot's message, but I have read all the other comments so far as well. My thoughts are below. On 03/02/2016 09:19, Eliot Lear wrote: > Hi Brian, > > See below. > > On 2/2/16 8:19 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I think this draft mixes up two things. >> >> (1) A proposal that the IAB Chair's ex officio seat in the IAOC be changed >> to be a seat for an IAB voting member designated by the IAB. That of course >> can only be achieved by an RFC that formally updates RFC 4071 and so becomes >> part of BCP 101. >> >> (2) A description of some IAB internal organisational matters, which the IAB >> is clearly free to arrange how it wants, and publish if it wants. IAB >> internal arrangements don't need to be BCPs. >> >> I've got nothing to say about (2). >> >> About (1), I think we should hear the pros and cons, because I doubt if >> this proposal arose in a vacuum. In particular, how would this help the >> IAOC be more effective and more responsive to community concerns? >> > > Pro: it is best to have the possibility of delegating responsibility to > someone who really can devote all the time necessary to the role. You > may recall that the IAB chair's time is in quite high demand. The IAOC > is only one of many matters that can come to her or his attention. I > view this as a simple matter of scaling. > > Pseudo-Con (really a pro): the IAB chair keeps substantial context in > his head, and can bring that to bear when dealing with the IAOC. > However, it is better to have the chair share that context with other > board members, and particular any delegate to this role. For one thing, > it reduces the impact when the chair departs the board. I think that for the specific case of the IAB Chair's IAOC seat, changing it to be any voting member (except the IETF Chair) is fine, and giving the IAB Chair a non-voting observer status is fine too. In this case, delegation is good; I can't see a significant downside, even during the IANA transition and the other big change that's coming, i.e. the new RFC format. I think the IETF Chair slot is a different matter. Yes, the IETF Chair is also the IESG Chair, but I don't believe s/he is in the IAOC on behalf of the IESG. On the contrary, it's on behalf of the IETF. I think it's exactly right that the IETF Chair votes in the IAOC, because nobody else has the same overview, and also because I believe that any IETF Chair who did not closely track the IAOC's business would be irresponsible. I think the ISOC President slot is also a different matter, and a bit tricky. I don't think we can declare our "funding agency" to be a non-voting member. Also, we (the IETF) don't define ISOC's internal structure or its methods of appointment. So it's hard for us to define who could replace the ISOC President as a voting IAOC member and Trustee. However, I'm assuming we wouldn't want it to be a staff appointment. Brian