On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
I think this draft mixes up two things.
(1) A proposal that the IAB Chair's ex officio seat in the IAOC be changed
to be a seat for an IAB voting member designated by the IAB. That of course
can only be achieved by an RFC that formally updates RFC 4071 and so becomes
part of BCP 101.
(2) A description of some IAB internal organisational matters, which the IAB
is clearly free to arrange how it wants, and publish if it wants. IAB
internal arrangements don't need to be BCPs.
So, to be clear, this is something still under discussion within the IAB, so please take it as the opinion of the authors at this point and nothing more.
I agree that we could split this into a BCP update and non-BCP informational document, but it seemed useful to us to describe the intended mechanics within the IAB to the larger community at least initially. For final publication, we could split them if desired.
The program description is intended to make clear that there would be a long-lived mechanism supporting this approach if it were adopted and that the IAB would identify from among its members a group that will commit to following the public work of the IAOC and being available to advise the ex officio member or the IAB.
The program description is intended to make clear that there would be a long-lived mechanism supporting this approach if it were adopted and that the IAB would identify from among its members a group that will commit to following the public work of the IAOC and being available to advise the ex officio member or the IAB.
I've got nothing to say about (2).
About (1), I think we should hear the pros and cons, because I doubt if
this proposal arose in a vacuum. In particular, how would this help the
IAOC be more effective and more responsive to community concerns?
There's a trade-off here. When the ex officio member is also the IAB chair, as is the case now, you get a single individual who has state on a wide variety of things (IAB, IAOC, IETF Trust, as well as IESG). That's valuable, but it comes at the cost of focusing all those time demands on a single individual and, potentially, ending up with an individual chosen for a balance of skills even if there were other individuals available owho might be more effective for IAOC service according to the lights of RFC 4333.
This document explores making the trade-off a different way: it should increase the amount of time available for IAOC work for the ex officio member; it should increase the understanding of the IAOC work in the IAB as whole; and it should make the choice of IAOC ex officio member and Chair independent.
You're right that it didn't arise in a vacuum. The immediate driver was largely the "time available" problem. This year the IANA transition has eaten a great deal of time for the IETF and IAB Chairs, pushing the job well past the advertised percentage. That will eventually resolve, but it will always be something. This makes sure that in cases like that, the IAOC effort does not suffer.
This document explores making the trade-off a different way: it should increase the amount of time available for IAOC work for the ex officio member; it should increase the understanding of the IAOC work in the IAB as whole; and it should make the choice of IAOC ex officio member and Chair independent.
You're right that it didn't arise in a vacuum. The immediate driver was largely the "time available" problem. This year the IANA transition has eaten a great deal of time for the IETF and IAB Chairs, pushing the job well past the advertised percentage. That will eventually resolve, but it will always be something. This makes sure that in cases like that, the IAOC effort does not suffer.
As I said, still very much under discussion, and I appreciate your review,
regards,
Ted
Regards
Brian Carpenter
On 03/02/2016 07:20, internet-drafts@xxxxxxxx wrote:
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> Title : Updating the ex-officio member of the IAB in the IAOC
> Authors : Ted Hardie
> Andrew Sullivan
> Russ Housley
> Filename : draft-hardie-iaoc-iab-update-00.txt
> Pages : 4
> Date : 2016-02-02
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> Abstract:
> At the time the IETF Administrative Oversight Committee was set up
> the Internet Architecture Board had an internal structure
> significantly different from its current structure. This document
> aims to update the ex officio member from the IAB who serves on the
> IAOC in order to better account for that change and better match the
> skills set out in RFC 4333.
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