Hi, Toerless, I never heard of anyone coming from Germany to a conference in Argentina having to apply for a visa. Datapoint: Jari mentioned he didn't need one, and he came a few time. That said, if you read that for tourism you don't need a visa, then claim tourism and you've solved your problem. -- you're not coming to apply for a job here, so... Thanks, Fernando On 12/17/2015 10:25 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > I am sorry, Jary, but that is just wikiality/make-belief > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_reality > > I really wish the IETF would officially ask the argentian authorities about the > rules of immigration for attendees to IETF95, especially if they can enter the > country claiming they are there for tourism. Having that in writing at the border > would be invaluable. > > I called up the argentinian consulate in Hamburg, and they told me that > if i was to attend a conference i would need a business visa. This is also > laid out on their web site: > > http://www.ealem.mrecic.gov.ar/node/3416 > > Or in german: > > http://www.ealem.mrecic.gov.ar/de/node/4330 > > (sorry, no english, but try google translate). > > She also sent me the description of the process to then get a business visa. Appended. > Which involves getting to an appointment in person along with notary public signed > documents, paying money and the like. > > Now, she also said she can't help me because i do not live in Germany, > so i'll also call/email the consulate in Los Angeles, but i guess if anyone in germany/from > germany wants to attend IETF, then this would be authoritative. > > The other embassy pages, like finland or USA do not explain at all under what > circumstances Argentina requires you to have a business visa. But at least > it clarifies "when travelling as tourist": > > http://www.embassyofargentina.us/en/consular-section/visas.html > > [ Btw: You surely also remember those immegration/exit forms of most countries where they > are asking whether the primary purpose of the trip is business or tourism. What do > you usually mark when going to IETF there ? I mark business. ] > > I am hereby asking you to have IAOC/IETF request officially with the argentinian > authorities if someone who visits Buenos Aires as a participant to the IETF is > legally permitted to declare that he/she is entering the country as a tourist. I > would something like that printed out when i pass argentinian immigrations. > > > If IETF participants have to enter as business travellers, then AFAIK almost > every participant who is not a US citizen would have to get a visa which > involves showing up in person at some consulte/embassy. > > cheers > Toerless > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 02:27:30PM +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: >> I have been to Argentina, and I never needed a visa. I come >> from Finland of course but that seems to apply EU-wide: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_European_Union_citizens >> >> Jari -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@xxxxxxxxxxx || fgont@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1