Hi, Draft talks about open issues in SIP Security (Which is within IETF). Then it asks the audience to have the opinion whether they want to fix them one by one. Or they are interested in out-of-box solution like Cashless Economy and Complete Multimedia Recording.. IETF and IRTF has been working on anti-spam solutions. In Cashless Economy due to end-to-end traceability SPAM will not happen. And it solves other issues also in the society like terrorism, bribery etc. IETF has Security Consideration for all the documents. In out-of-box solution like Complete multimedia recording, we do not need complex security mechanism.It obviates the need of the complex laws etc. IETF has its laws bunch of the RFC and Note-Well kind of statements etc, which will be also not needed in Complete Multimedia Recordings. IMHO, The out-of-box solutions are relevant to IETF and IRTF also. It is upto the IETF to decide what they want, one by one fix of the solutions to the open issues in SIP Security or out-of-box solution. Thanks Samir On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 10:15 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: > Jordi, > > Personal opinion: the time for apologies and focus on > IETF-relevant topics was when several members of the community, > including yourself, send notes on and off-list asking him to > confine himself to topics more appropriate to the list. We've > already seen a number of notes that appear to be anchored in > posted I-Ds but that rapidly diverge into other topics. Our > policy that anyone can post an I-D and that even I-Ds that are > irrelevant will not be taken down suggests that posting an I-D > should not convey a right to post to the IETF list. It seems > to me that at least a lengthy timeout, perhaps with an > invitation to form another list to discuss the I-Ds, is in order > here. > > Up to you, of course. > > thanks, > john > > > > > --On Sunday, November 22, 2015 03:49 -0500 Samir Srivastava > <samirs.lists@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> I am sorry. Can we discuss only avoidance draft only. >> >> Samir >> >> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 3:43 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ >> <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> Dear Secretariat, >>> >>> As Samir seems to continue agains our mailing list policy, >>> please make sure to restrict his posting rights ASAP. > > > >