Lloyd, For those of us who still read email in plain text form for security and other reasons, your message was very nearly unreadable, as you can probably deduced from the quoted parts below (missing blank lines were missing in the original). --On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 08:04 +0000 Lloyd Wood <eclipticplane2002@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; > border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex > !important; background-color:white !important; } "a strong and > technical AD review role also provides some protection against > a WG that becomes dominated by a narrow set of organizations or > interests and that therefore produces results that are > favorable to those interests rather than the Internet more > broadly." *cough* DTN WG *cough* > when draft authors presenting at an IETF meeting speak only of > CCSDS books, it's clear what interests and results are being > favoured. Why do you think that follows? Do you believe that people should not be permitted to write or post documents because they have too-narrow perspectives or perspectives you disagree with? Do you think we should have a rule against citing some particular organization or standards body? If you think DTN is being mismanaged, have you discussed the issues with the WG Chairs and relevant ADs? If you have not gotten satisfaction, have you made requests that can be appealed and exercised that option, copying the IETF list on the substantive contents of that appeal? And, even if that one effort were a problem, do you have some basis for assuming that the problem generalizes? There is a separate issue about "presentations" at IETF meetings, but I hope we can avoid repeating that thread. > how long ago were the expectations for the AD role lowered? Whether one likes the version of any particular year or not, I think the AD role, and expectations of it, have been continually changing (I won't go so far as to say "evolving") since the reorganization of the early 1990s and probably earlier. best, john > Lloyd Woodhttp://sat-net.com/dtn