On 8/13/2015 7:48 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > We have a social responsibility to design an internet that ... > does not > provide an impregnable conduit for the use of people that seek to > harm us. Stuart, When a goal is specified, it permeates the work. The goal therefore needs to have a practical basis for achievement, rather than merely capturing a lofty and idealistic wish. Otherwise, it winds up serving as a distraction at best; at worst, it destroys efficacy. In the current case, there is no line of technical effort that has been put forward, which has any credible support from the knowledgeable technical community, that supports the above goal without thoroughly undermining the other essential goals. To the extent that you know of a practical line of design effort that can satisfy the above goal, without also creating the basic problems that have been documented, please describe it. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net