On 8/11/2015 11:29 AM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > I agree that this consensus was clear in the meeting and is now being discussed on lists following the usual process. Kathleen, Forgive me, but no. A very big no. An IETF "Last Call" is not the usual process for discussion. Last Call is intended for /after/ such discussion. Again: there has been no managed discussion and no serious effort to pursue basic concerns that have been raised. Mostly, basic concerns are simply being ignored or quickly rejected. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net