--On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 07:26 -0400 Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >... > It's used to solve that problem because it's the easiest > hack to make it work, not because it's the right thing to do. Ted, independent of SOCKS or other possibilities, I suggest one of the things that can be said about apparent domain names that are not expected to resolve in the DNS but are lexically indistinguishable, overuse of TXT RRs, etc., is precisely "used to solve that problem because it's the easiest hack to make it work, not because it's the right thing to do.". One difficulty is that such hacks don't scale particularly well. One or two of them (I note that "localhost." is just about as old as the NDS) is not a problem (although perhaps still a hack). Beginning to add them in large numbers makes them harder to track, increases the chance of leakage, and probably implies that we will eventually need new hacks to categorize and organize the other hacks. It still might be the right thing to do (although I agree with George, Andrew, and others that, if we are committed to good design and engineering, we ought to be doing better). My concern is much more about how we (speaking very broadly) organize the decision-making about particular names than about the alternatives but, again, if the IETF is actually supposed to be doing Internet Engineering rather than Internet Name Selection, we should probably be concentrating a bit more on the former than the latter. best, john