> On Jun 3, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Hiya, > > On 03/06/15 19:31, Cullen Jennings (fluffy) wrote: >> >> This is too little too late. >> >> This wishy washy "we believe in security but don't like to actually >> use it ourselves" is not the leadership IETF should be providing to >> the internet. The internet has already been harmed by too many years >> of security that is not turned on. >> >> Take a hum at next plenary and find out if people want the IETF to >> actually use security or not. > > Or we can put this in place and then measure who continues to access > in clear and see what that tells us. I suspect it will largely be in the clear. But I see the leaders encrypting, I wish we were leading. > > Maybe a hum at a plenary is a bit too large a hammer to bring out for > this fairly modest nail. > > S. > Fair enough. I'll leave the bike shed alone :-)