>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Andrews <marka@xxxxxxx> writes: to be clear, none of this is the sort of thing I was looking for. All of this is discussions of parts of the Internet that aren't particularly transparent or interested in letting you have open access to large portions of the net. I don't care if the ietf website is accessible from a hotel before you accept the network's terms. Based on the discussion so far I'd like to see better justification for the claim that there are portions of the network that block TLS before we make it.