On Tue, Jun 02, 2015 at 06:00:42AM +0700, Roland Dobbins wrote: > On 2 Jun 2015, at 5:59, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Changes like using https by default have much broader justifications. > > They also have much broader objections. Broad enough to stop the IETF from making the statement we're discussing? Your objections w.r.t. DoS attack characterization are hardly "broad" enough. Nico --