On Sun, March 22, 2015 9:58 am, Alia Atlas wrote:
> Would it be possible for everyone posting about this draft to
> consider - for even just a day - that he or she might in fact
> be the SUBJECT of the harassment - instead of trying to
> figure out how to game the system assuming that he is
> an unrepentant respondent.
>
> While the joke goes that "true friends help you bury the body",
> I earnestly hope that we aren't trying to figure out how people
> can successfully accomplish manslaughter and not have it
> raise to the level of murder - nor pretending that the SUBJECT
> of the harassment isn't the one wrongfully impacted.
>
> For once, consider that if you don't know anyone who has been
> harassed (not necessarily at the IETF) and have not been
> harassed - then (a) you PROBABLY aren't listening or asking
> the right questions and (b) you aren't the focus of why this needs
> to be handled.
If you haven't realized that non-governmental committees to
deal with harassment in their organizations have been greeted
with quite a few false accusations of late then you PROBABLY
aren't paying attention.
Furthermore, if you haven't realized that when these committees
dispense justice it sometimes violates due process and opens up
those organizations to great risk then you are the focus of why this
discussion is happening.
> If your concern is that you might obliviously misstep and be called
> out on it - then yes - you may - and you may actually need to think
> about it beforehand or learn from it afterwards. Welcome to life.
It's quite revealing that you would even think that could even be a
legitimate concern.
> To quote another stereotyped saying: "Women are afraid of being
> physically hurt. Men are afraid of being embarrassed." Enough
> already! I'm already embarrassed for you and your lack of perspective.
Talk about perspective! You are effectively slandering people who are
expressing legitimate concerns about this process as people who want
to "game the system" to enable harassment. If I was a sensitive soul I
would treat your Shut Up, She Reasoned approach ("I'm already
embarrassed for you") to this thread as an example of bullying. But
I'm not so I'll just tell you that you're gonna have to deal with people.
Welcome to Life.
Dan.