Re: perspective of discussion about I-D.farresnickel-harassment

[Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx>]

YES.  Thank you.

On Mar 22, 2015 8:58 AM, "Alia Atlas" <akatlas@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Would it be possible for everyone posting about this draft to 

consider - for even just a day - that he or she might in fact

be the SUBJECT of the harassment - instead of trying to 

figure out how to game the system assuming that he is

an unrepentant respondent.

While the joke goes that "true friends help you bury the body",

I earnestly hope that we aren't trying to figure out how people

can successfully accomplish manslaughter and not have it

raise to the level of murder - nor pretending that the SUBJECT

of the harassment isn't the one wrongfully impacted.

For once, consider that if you don't know anyone who has been

harassed (not necessarily at the IETF) and have not been

harassed - then (a) you PROBABLY aren't listening or asking

the right questions and (b) you aren't the focus of why this needs

to be handled.

If your concern is that you might obliviously misstep and be called

out on it - then yes - you may - and you may actually need to think

about it beforehand or learn from it afterwards.  Welcome to life.

To quote another stereotyped saying:  "Women are afraid of being

physically hurt.  Men are afraid of being embarrassed."  Enough

already!  I'm already embarrassed for you and your lack of perspective. 

Regards,

Alia