On 12/26/2014 8:50 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Maybe we can take a short hiatus from our relentless cute naming and call it what it is: UPPER. That's reasonable. An alternative that is equally un-cute but highlights one of the more salient aspects of this realm of work: End2End (E2E) The technologies in this new area all reside in the end systems, rather than the underlying packet-switching infrastructure. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net