If the construction is between 9am to 5pm, I am OK with it. I would be concerned on the construction work or other type of noise at night. In these hotels (including Fairmont in Toronto) noisy hotel machinery causes bigger concerns for sleeping at night. Behcet On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Mary Barnes <mary.h.barnes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > So, it seems then that the primary concern with regards to construction > would be with any of the rooms in the area of the construction. There is > actually very little information on the Hilton website - it simply states: > Construction is taking place on the northeast corner of the resort. Work is > limited to 9am – 5pm, Monday through Friday. > > However, I looked at booking on AAvacations to see what the rate would be > for both the airfare and hotel and the only rooms available were > Construction View, with the following detail was provided: "The Façade is > being refurbished." I interpret that to mean that there will scaffolding on > the building (and possibly workers outside your windows on Friday). > > It's possible the IETF room block does not include the construction view > rooms, but my guess is that wouldn't be the case based upon how most hotels > do things. So, can we ask the hotel to NOT put IETFers in these rooms? > Or, is each person just going to have to insist that their room not be in > the NorthEast corner? While I spend little time in my room, the view from > the room could likely to be a large part of what some of us see of the > island. > > Thanks, > Mary. > > > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> On Aug 9, 2014, at 2:06 PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > --On Saturday, August 09, 2014 13:42 -0400 Ray Pelletier >> > <rpelletier@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > >> >> Mary >> >> >> >> Thanks for the questions. >> >> >> >> There is construction at the Hilton Hawaiian Village, but >> >> during IETF 91 there will be no construction Monday through >> >> Thursday. Construction will resume on Friday. >> > >> > Ray, >> > >> > I hate to ask this question but how confident are you about >> > those promises? Several of us have not-very-fond memories of >> > what I assume was a large rotary hammer/ drill at the Fairmont >> > (or several of them) but I'd assume the hotel would consider >> > that "a little drilling" or "preparation for the next round of >> > construction" not "construction". So >> >> The construction referred to at Fairmont was not actually construction >> being conducted by the hotel, but by the City of Toronto. >> >> > >> > (1) Do you have a clear agreement about what constitutes >> > "construction" in the contract, ideally one that you would be >> > willing to share with us? >> >> There is no definition of construction in the contract. The agreement >> states: >> >> “The Hotel has received confirmation and agrees to stop construction >> during the dates of November 10 - 13, 2014, inclusive. Construction will >> resume on Friday, November 14, 2014, from 09:00 to 5:00pm; normal >> construction schedule is Monday through Friday, 09:00am - 5:00pm. >> There will be no construction on Saturday and Sunday.” >> >> > >> > (2) If there is any ambiguity in that agreement, does the hotel, >> > an outside contractor, or we get to decide whether something is >> > "construction" or not? (Clearly we didn't have much useful >> > input at the Fairmont because they were drilling/hammering all >> > week). >> >> This was not a Fairmont issue. Construction was being conducted by the >> City of Toronto and not within our control or within the control of the >> Fairmont. >> >> There will be no construction over the weekends or between Monday >> through Thursday of our event. >> >> > >> > (3) Are the provisions of that agreement strong enough that, if >> > the prohibition were violated, the hotel would feel serious >> > pain, not just, e.g., the guarantee that we would never return >> > and/or the need to discount a few rooms? >> >> There is no “serious pain” penalty provision in the contract addressing >> violation of the Hotel’s agreement to cease construction during our >> meeting. >> Our long-standing relationship with Hilton and their commercial interest >> in our >> continued/repeat business is our leverage. >> >> > >> > Finally, if they are able to postpone construction for >> > Monday-Thursday, what is the plan for the meetings, classes, and >> > side-events that normally occur on Saturday and Sunday? We've >> > been in hotels with "no construction during the meeting days" >> > promises before when the pre-meeting weekend has been completely >> > disrupted. >> >> As indicated above, construction will not be conducted on Saturday or >> Sunday. >> >> > >> > Finally, has the IESG agreed to not schedule WG meetings for >> > Friday? If not, what is the justification for an agreement that >> > could result in its being impossible or at least terribly >> > difficult for WGs scheduled on Friday to get work done? >> >> Or mildly difficult, or not difficult at all just to round out the >> possibilities. >> >> The construction itself is not in the buildings where our meetings are >> being held, >> but in another part of the property. Our meeting space is located in the >> Mid-Pacific >> Conference Center, which is separated from the construction site by the >> Tapa >> Convention Center and the Tapa Tower. >> >> We will discuss the nature of the construction work being done to see if >> we can >> further minimize any impact on Friday’s sessions. >> >> Ray >> >> >> > >> > john >> > >> >